Question #1:
Hi Bob,
I appreciate your prayers. The __ has improved since you added that to your
prayers. I pray it's permanent but it hasn't been in the past. How is recovery
from surgery coming along?
In our Lord,
Response #1:
I'm not back to 100% just yet but I'm trying to push myself back into shape. Still have restrictions on what I can do for at least another couple of weeks. Got a walk in this morning in spite of four classes and our honors symposium at the end of all that. Very tired – more so than I would have been before the surgery – but I'm starting to get my sea legs back. In a couple of months it'll be like it never happened, God helping me!
Thanks for your prayers! [And thank you everyone who has had me in
their prayers through this]
Good news about the __. I'll continue to be praying for you, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #2:
Thanks Bob,
I am satisfied now that I understand this very well! Thank you for being patient
with me on this.
I don't know what it is with me..sometimes it takes a while for a penny to drop.
Sometimes I find myself saying back to you what you have already said but in my
own words.
It's not easy in our sinful flesh to not long for 'rules'. Walking in the
freedom of Christ only becomes easier with practice and maturity. We tend to
either lean towards licentiousness or legalism. For a species that loves to talk
about freedom, why is it that when we are given true freedom (freedom in Christ)
that we can crave being under bondage again! Be it under the law or under sin!
Oh to be finally free from this sinful flesh! What great ultimate freedom that
will be!!
As I bombarded you with both questions and prayer requests, I am afraid one got
lost along the way. [omitted]
I have seen great healings and deliverance through the prayers given through
your ministry! It has been a huge blessing to me in my life and the lives of
others. I really appreciate the power and value of corporate prayer as I have
seen the mercy and miracles of the movement of God occur again and again. It has
moved me from praying for your ministry prayer list from once a week on Sundays
to pray for them all every day. It has encouraged me to become a solid and
persistent prayer warrior!
Thanks for your prayers too my friend! Praying for you and yours every day.
In Jesus,
Response #2:
That's a great and an encouraging testimony! I'll try to do a better job keeping
the list sharp (still trying to
figure out some aspect of it; most people are not good about updating me when
petitions are no longer needed or needs change).
Also, I did put this other request on the list . . . but then I forgot to upload
the new version of the page to the server last night. It's there now.
Keeping you and yours on my personal list. Thanks for YOUR prayers too, my
friend!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #3:
Hi Bob
No worries, knew it wasn't an oversight on your part and thought it was likely a
technical error.
You are actually *very* sharp on the prayer front but I realise you can only be
as current as your latest update. That's why I have always strived to keep you
as quickly as updated at possible.
You are doing a great job for the Lord and I also want to say as a thanks and an
encouragement to everyone who reads your ministry weekly and then also offers
prayers through your prayer list.
I am so grateful for the amazing blessings and answers to prayer I have received
so I would encourage all who read this to do keep praying to the Lord through
Ichthys prayer list and do please be persistent like in the Parable of the
Persistent Widow as you wrote at the link:
https://ichthys.com/MP3/the-persistent-widow.mp3
It does work!! God IS faithful!! Amen!
In Jesus,
Response #3:
Thank you!
I'm very happy to have such positive feedback.
Keeping you and yours on my personal list daily as well – and thank you so much
for YOUR prayers, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #4:
Dear Teacher,
An old schoolmate reached out to me (we talk sometimes about Bible questions or
thoughts that he has) and asked me about 1 Corinthians 15:29. He said that
someone had claimed that it is a Christian practice followed by the ancient
church to baptize for the dead and that the person cited this passage and 1
Peter 4:6 as proofs. He wanted to know what I thought.
My instant response was that 1 Peter 4:6 referred to people who were at the
point of Peter's writing dead but heard the Gospel while they were alive and
that 1 Corinthians 15:29 was using the hypocrisy of the people preaching "no
resurrection" to prove that their position was all wrong. But I could only
vaguely remember reading something like both on Ichthys, so I decided to look
them up before sending my response. I found a question:
"Question #12:"
(https://www.ichthys.com/mail-baptism-water-and-spirit9.htm#:~:text=Bob
L.-,Question #12:,-Hi Dr,) and your response was
"This is referring to a cult activity which of course Paul rejects."
I saw in the next question and response that you also think that the people
being baptized for the dead were the same as those claiming that there is no
resurrection, so I surmised that they were the cult you were speaking of in the
previous and that this is probably what I read but only remembered vaguely.
What I started to wonder was how we could know for sure. I figured that since
Paul was using an example that the Corinthian church knew about, it was either
something that unbelievers external to them were doing or else, it was a false
practice that some of them had started to engage in. We could infer the latter
if there is no historical evidence of the former. Is that what you did, Sir?
Essentially a question of methodology, I guess.
As for 1 Peter 4:6, your answer on it was very comprehensive and I figured that
it was less a matter of translation and more one of doctrine. Your translation
made a lot more sense in the context of what Peter was saying in the letter, so
I decided that I had no further questions on it.
Always praying for you here, Sir,
Your student in Jesus Christ,
Response #4:
Of course many false religions offer prayer for the dead, but we believers in Jesus Christ know that there is only this life, and that everyone has to make their own decision about the Lord and His truth here in this world. Afterwards is too late (Lk.16:19-31).
And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living?
Isaiah 8:19 NKJV
My position on 1st Corinthians 15:29 is that there were "people" out there who
were doing this unauthorized and pointless "baptism", no doubt some in Corinth,
possibly even some putative Christians tangentially related to the church there.
It was wrong to do. Paul knew that and assumed that his readers would know it
too. But he uses this as a way of shaming (so to speak) the Corinthians who were
buying into the similarly crazy idea that there was no bodily resurrection:
"Look, even those nutty unbelievers believe in a resurrection! Shame on you for
doubting it since it makes you look even worse than them!"
Regarding 1st Peter 4:6, this is
speaking of the spiritually dead. Clearly, one cannot give the gospel to
those who are physically dead. If an unbeliever is convicted of his/her sins and
comes to recognize their plight, they may respond so as to "live by means of the
Spirit according to God['s grace]".
Doing pretty well. Just had the eave fixed on my house (pricey, but it required
a carpenter team getting up on high ladders, not something I'm doing any more).
Trying to move into research mode to finish this article I started over the
summer, now that I've buttoned up things at the uni more or less (I could leave
everything else until early January if need be). We are getting a new chair for
our dept., a fellow from outside from Anthropology. Prayers for helping him
understand the unique problems of one person teaching two languages at all levels
appreciated!
How is your health? Are you close to finishing your course?
Here's wishing you and your family a wonderful Christmas! No big plans here
(except to over eat and sleep in).
Keeping you and yours in my daily prayers, my friend!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #5:
Hello Dr Bob,
I hope this email finds you well today! I continue to be blessed by your
ministry and so deeply appreciate the time you give to help us grow. My mother
is a devout Catholic (I came out of that 8 years ago now) and purgatory came up.
I wanted to know if you have heard anything about prayers for the dead being
written in graffiti in catacombs, in the first three centuries after Christ? (Of
course this quote goes on to use Perpetua/Felicity as an authority of proof as
well). Quote below.
"Nor does ascribing the doctrine to Gregory explain the graffiti in the
catacombs, where Christians during the persecutions of the first three centuries
recorded prayers for the dead. Indeed, some of the earliest Christian writings
outside the New Testament, like the Acts of Paul and Thecla and the Martyrdom of
Perpetua and Felicity (both written during the second century), refer to the
Christian practice of praying for the dead. Such prayers would have been offered
only if Christians believed in purgatory, even if they did not use that name for
it."
The Jews praying for their dead...was this something they really did? A quick
Google search says yes. Wondering if this was 'added' to the laws by the more
legalistic type Jews? God didn't tell them to do this, correct? Quote below.
"Prayers for the dead and the consequent doctrine of purgatory have been part of
the true religion since before the time of Christ. Not only can we show it was
practiced by the Jews of the time of the Maccabees, but it has even been
retained by Orthodox Jews today, who recite a prayer known as the Mourner’s
Kaddish for eleven months after the death of a loved one so that the loved one
may be purified. It was not the Catholic Church that added the doctrine of
purgatory. Rather, the Protestant churches rejected a doctrine that had always
been believed by Jews and Christians."
( Both quotes from: https://www.catholic.com/tract/purgatory)
I do not believe in purgatory of course but wanted to better understand these 2
"proofs" better...had not heard of these.
Reading Catholic articles on purgatory are so deeply twisted and they find many
extra biblical ways to show authority on it as you already know of course. But
I'm feeling like my parents are so deep in these lies it's hard for them to see
any truth. They are not saved. Belief in purgatory in my opinion says that. You
cannot have both. Although the Catholics think you can.
Thank you Dr Bob
Response #5:
Good to hear from you.
Regarding "purgatory", you are absolutely correct – what a surprise that a Roman
Catholic website supports the erroneous idea!
Let's notice a few key points:
1) There is nothing whatsoever about "purgatory" anywhere in the Bible –
anywhere.
2) There is nothing anywhere in any literature, not even RC literature, about a
place called "purgatory" until the 6th century.
3) The Bible does not allow for prayers for the dead – anywhere.
But please note, even if someone prayed for the dead, that doesn't mean that
there was a place called purgatory, or that prayers or acts of supererogation or
dispensations from a pope could "get them out". These are two separate things.
The only thing they have in common is that they are both false doctrines that
have nothing to do with the Bible.
Graffiti in the catacombs: there are such writings in the catacombs of Rome
dating to roughly two centuries after the New Testament was written. Who wrote
them? We don't know. What we can say is that this would be akin to finding a
letter someone wrote during the Revolution about, say, Henry the VIII who lived
many centuries before. Did the person really know anything about the subject?
Hard to tell. Putting any particular faith in its validity would be a dubious
prospect. As to the content, what we actually find in such inscriptions are
phrases in Latin such as requisescat in pace: "rest in peace". We find
that on tombstones in virtually every cemetery in the country. Does that mean
everyone who puts R.I.P. on a tombstone believes in purgatory or prayers for
the dead? Certainly not.
So this article is grasping at straws, and very thin ones at that. This is
typical RC. They have their "doctrines" which they developed for their own
reasons, not because they were looking to scripture for the truth. And they only
use the Bible – and anything else they might see as helpful to their cause – to
support the false beliefs they have already committed to, NOT to seek the
truth.
No one reading the actual Bible would ever come up with the idea of a
"purgatory" on their own, not from scripture – nor "prayers for the dead"
either. The former gives the RC church leverage over its followers ("only we can
rescue your departed loved ones); the latter gives false hope to the bereaved –
but we know that all believers are saved regardless of any other consideration
(only unbelievers are not), and here in this life is the time of our eternal
decision making.
Here's a group of links to some things I've written about this in the past.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #6:
Oh yes, I completely see the faulty RC ideas. I'm certainly not trying to find a
reason to believe in purgatory... wanted to understand these 2 ideas more if it
comes up with my mom again. It actually makes me upset knowing I have family I
love that cannot see through it and connect the dots themselves by reading a
Bible... but they gobble up whatever "the Church" tells them.
Do you know how/ when the Jews praying for the dead became a thing and why? Has
this kinda always been a thing humans do to reach some spiritual yearning or
something? Jewish culture included?
Love how they argue... since the old Jewish culture accepted it and did it... it
must be correct.
Thank you and blessings to you!
Response #6:
I understand. I'd never heard of that before either. Apparently, there are some
references in very late medieval Jewish literature about this. But that would be
like attributing some weird doctrine to Christianity as a whole because some
offshoot of the Mormons believe it. So, no, there is no tradition of it in
Judaism generally, and if you asked any Jewish person about it today he/she
would think you were nuts (unless he/she belonged to some cult or strange sect).
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #7:
Yep, understood.
Appreciate your voice of truth, again.
Hope you have a great rest of the week!
I look forward to Saturday nights reading your new posts. Look forward to when
my kids are in bed and I have time to read and highlight in your
CT series!
Response #7:
Thanks!
Question #8:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
Just wanted to send you a quick note. Congratulations on completing the Hebrews
series! I've gone through some of it but I need to start at the top and go
through it all. I've enjoyed (and sometimes convicted) the parts I've gone
through!
I'm spending the day with my friend. We got to do some Bible study together,
we're going through the book of Job together. We've had some super good talks
recently and I can tell she's starting to discern more and be able to tell
what's more in line with the Bible and what's not. I'm so happy to see her
growing in the truth - we got to talk about a lot, even what happened to the
pre-cross believers, the angels who violated God's rules, etc. Lots of
interesting doctrines. So thank you for all the prayers and for putting her on
the Ichthys list! God is answering those prayers. I'm glad I got to learn all
these things from Ichthys, it's helpful when answering questions!
Hope you are doing well! Getting to have some interesting talks with __ too. God
is helping me learn some things here.
Respectfully,
Response #8:
That is wonderful news, my friend!
It's always a blessing – not to mention a great encouragement – when the Lord
answers our prayers this way. It's also a reminder to keep praying and not to
give up (link).
Because sometimes it takes a long time before they are answered (always for good
reason, of course). If we are consistent and patient, trusting in Him to help us
and to help those we pray for, we will find the truth of the fact that "nothing
is impossible for God" affirmed over and over again.
Keeping YOU in my daily prayers – and thanks for those coming my way too!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #9:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
Yes, it made me so happy! I do need to be more consistent in prayer. This has
given me hope and confidence that God can take care of __ even when her
situation might not be what I would wish in terms of her being more surrounded
by mature Christian teaching. God has answered a lot of my prayers over the past
couple years in very obvious ways and you're right, it is an encouragement!
Thank you for your prayers!
Respectfully,
Response #9:
I am very happy to learn of your growing confidence in the Lord!
It's also true that we need to be persistent in prayer, sometimes over the long
haul (Lk.18:1-8). There are a lot of people out there who are "tough nuts to
crack". We can still have faith that our prayers are being heard even if they
are not being answered immediately. In fact, waiting on the Lord in faith and
confidence is a very big part of spiritual growth.
Congratulations on passing the test!
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #10:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,
Hope you are doing good, and back to school?
I have a prayer request for you. I ask for you to pray for __ and her surgery
and the doctor that everything will go perfect.
Studying your teaching on the Great white throne judgment of Jesus Christ. Wow,
it is so easy to understand and I am happy to know how this will turn out so I
can teach others.
Thanks so much,
May God bless you abundantly,
Your friend,
Response #10:
I'm praying for __ .
We've already got two weeks down in the new semester here. VERY busy as I got
tagged to be the personnel committee chair and we have three promotion cases
this fall (spring is always busy with merit packages for everyone). So it's a
three ring circus and I'm the ringleader . . . sans chair or whip or
pistol!
Keeping you two in my daily prayers too.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #11:
I have noticed that wherever I am being attacked, as long as I pray over it then the Lord protects me and delivers me through it even if it does mean walking right through the middle of it. I realise that we may at times have to walk through the middle of the sea or enter the fiery furnace and yet we won't be drowned or be burned.
From my experience, when I am going through one thing and I pray for protection
or deliverance through it, then I often get attacked from another angle. I
realise how important prayer is as I see both my protection and deliverance now
more clearly on a daily basis. Instead of having a "what now?!" attitude I see
that the Lord is graciously getting me through everything that is thrown my way.
I have to be patient and not to panic but entrust my safe keeping and travel
through it all to Him.
Amen!
Response #11:
I think you are right to protect yourself, my friend.
Also, it's a very good observation that we all have a tendency to react and
scramble for "solutions", when putting the problem in the Lord's hands in prayer
AND then leaving it to Him in faith (rather than praying and then going straight
back to worrying) is what we ought to have done in the first place.
Here are some links on prayer for you:
Prayer Questions I
Prayer Questions II
Prayer Questions III
Prayer Questions IVPrayer Questions VII
The Lord's prayer I
The Lord's prayer II
Keeping you in my prayers, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #12:
Doc, I need to know, and I'm not asking how I "pray without ceasing", how do YOU
pull it off? My whole life I just...didn't try or gave up quickly because I
assumed like most Christians, true or not, that it means a perpetual,
never-ceasing-for-a-second talk with God as long as you're conscious. To be
completely blunt, that sound like it would cause absurd burnout, "Holy Spirit
renewal of strength" or not. How would I even focus on anything else while even
"learning to get better at it"?
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding. I really just...don't know where to
start spiritually unless I have an answer on this, as regrettable it is I'm
still saying that.
Response #12:
Pray without ceasing.
1st Thessalonians 5:17 NKJV
Paul says some things similar about himself elsewhere which are helpful in understanding this:
For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers.
Romans 1:9 NKJV
I thank God, whom I serve with a pure conscience, as my forefathers did, as without ceasing I remember you in my prayers night and day.
2nd Timothy 1:3 NKJV
All three verses are rendering the Greek adverb (or adjective), adialeiptōs, which means "without-leaving-off". What that means exactly seems clear from the two passages above. Paul was a prayer warrior and he prayed often, prayed daily, prayed consistently, and whenever he did pray, he remembered these people he had "on his list" consistently. That is not a bad example for us to consider. Not all of us have as much time to pray as others do. Widows, for example, are said to "continue night and day to pray" (1Tim.5:5), and the apostles were loathe to take on the duty of "serving tables" so that instead they might "devote ourselves to prayer, and to the ministry of the word" (Acts 6:4). As Paul says elsewhere . . .
Continue earnestly in prayer, being vigilant in it with thanksgiving.
Colossians 4:2 NKJV
This must mean essentially the same thing as 1st Thessalonians 5:17. Prayer is
important. Prayer is a ministry. The more genuine prayer we devote ourselves to
in the Spirit the better for us and for those for whom we pray. But as in the
case of giving money, where God is said to "love a cheerful giver" (2Cor.9:7),
we have to be careful not to let prayer be drudgery or feel any resent about our
answering the call to engage in this ministry. Somewhere between only praying
occasionally and inconsistently and devoting daily great swaths of time we can't
really afford to prayer (and being worn down by it) there is a right amount of
time which we can be consistent with and joyful about.
As with exercise, it's beneficial to choose a regime we can be consistent with
and feel good about as opposed to charging ourselves with the responsibility for
a massive daily workout we will never ever be able to do consistently . . . so
that many people who go that route stop exercising completely. That is pretty
silly, when one thinks about it. Better to choose a schedule that is enjoyable
and doable. In the end, we'll do more and be happier about it.
That is not a bad analogy for our prayer responsibilities either. Not to say
that more is better than less (it is), but no one can be in prayer always (and
that is NOT what Paul is counseling). But if we have the time to pray every day
– and most of us do – or can make the time to do it (because it is important to
us) – then it really is incumbent upon us as believers to set our selves a
doable list and try to stick to it as best we can. If we do, we will be carrying
out the mandate Paul gives us in 1st Thessalonians 5:17. See the links:
The value of persistent prayer
Praying for you daily, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #13:
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Response #13:
How and when and what to pray for is a personal thing. When the disciples asked
Jesus about this, He gave them "the Lord's prayer" which, if properly
understood, is very rich and deep (see
the link). Developing a personal prayer list should be a joy. If it is
drudgery or, worse yet, a matter of stress and strain, I assure you that you
need to rethink it. It's a pleasure and a great opportunity to put our concerns
and those of others before the "throne of grace" (Heb.4:16).
Entering into the Lord's "rest of faith", our new "4th commandment", is
something that we should be taking pains to do at all times and with all things,
including prayer. If we're not – and being always emotionally upset,
over-stressed and over-strained is an indication that we're not – then we need
to put first things first and pursue the peace the Lord means us to have. This
doesn't mean being lazy in prayer or anything else. It does mean learning to
trust the Lord in all things at all times (link).
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #14:
Dear Brother Bob, hope you are well.
I have a question. I don't understand prayer that well. Is there a right way to
pray? What do we pray about? I pray for less than 5 minutes, and run out of
things to say.
Kindly,
Response #14:
There's plenty to pray for, thanking the Lord for all He's done for us for one
thing (1Thes.5:18); and He's done plenty for us, starting with the cross and our
salvation!
Petitioning the Lord on behalf of our family, friends and neighbors is very
important as well. Many people develop their own lists (mental or written) so as
to keep important concerns for others (and themselves) in prayer. There is an
Ichthys list (here's
the link); I'm sure any and all on there would be grateful for your
prayers.
Here are some Ichthys links about the subject as well (and these will lead to
yet more links):
Prayer Questions I
Prayer Questions II
Prayer Questions III
Prayer Questions IVPrayer Questions VII
The Lord's prayer I
The Lord's prayer II
I keep YOU in my daily prayers – and I'd be grateful for you to do the same for
me and this ministry.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #15:
Hi Mr. Luginbill,
Would you say a prayer for __? She has read some on my site and she mentions it
sometimes, asking if I've been writing - so I'm using this opportunity to try
and share the gospel with her. I wrote a post (https://growinginjesus.com/how-do-i-know-if-i-am-saved/
) in addition to my shorter gospel presentation I have on the site (I included
that in the post too). I sense that she might be receptive, like she might know
there's more, but she was raised Catholic and sometimes religious people are
hard since they just expect to get to heaven.
I'm going to send it to her sometime this week.
Hope your second week of the semester is going well!
Respectfully,
Response #15:
Will do. Re: "she was raised Catholic and sometimes religious people are hard
since they just expect to get to heaven". That is a very astute observation.
I'll pray for her to get serious about Bible reading and also your post.
Keeping you in my daily prayers, my friend.
In Jesus,
Bob L.
Question #16:
If I don’t know what to pray, what’s the point of praying? I have to know the right thing to pray for or else there’s no point. I saw on your site that those who haven't matured have a hard time praying for what He wants because they don't know Him well. I find myself not knowing what to ask because I don’t know that much about the bible and so I wonder if my prayers are prayers at all.
Response #16:
You are not the first to have this issue. Put your heart at rest:
In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
Roman 8:26-27 NASB
The Lord knows you and your heart and your needs much better than you do – and He knew all about your tears and trials before He even made the world.
"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you."
Matthew 7:7 NKJV
Pray without ceasing;
1st Thessalonians 5:17 NASB
Keep talking with Him. You'll never regret it.
In our dear Savior Jesus Christ.
Bob L.
Question #17:
Hi Bob,
I'm really happy to know you're feeling fine. Hoping your new BP med will suit
you okay too.
Sounds like there's never a dull moment at the uni! Packing up your 35 years
worth of stuff should be interesting. Will you have to box it all up and bring
it home? I guess it's a good opportunity to have a sort out - just not over
Christmas.
I saw the plane crash on the news. That fire was wild and the smoke too. The
Lord kept you safe again - He's so good!
It's Guy Fawkes Night (Bonfire Night) here tonight. Fireworks are going off like
the clappers. I always feel sorry for all those poor pets, like dogs, that are
so frightened by them.
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I was just thinking about something I read in the emails this week. When people
decide to turn away from Ichthys, where on earth do they go? I'm still so
thankful to the Lord for leading me to you and apart from you and Curtis at
Bible Academy, I just don't
trust anyone else out there to teach the truth.
Hope tomorrow is a good one for you, Bob. My day list at work is chocka again!
In Jesus
Response #17:
Re: the crash. Yes, all OK here. But if the wind had been blowing the other way
they'd have been taking off over UofL. So I'm very grateful for being protected
by the Lord!
Glad you were protected today. Hope the whole week goes smooth.
Re: people who turn away. I always say a prayer for them, to find someplace they
can grow. If a person IS willing to grow spiritually, God always provides. But
if the issue wasn't me or this ministry but an underlying resistance to the
truth, then that has to be resolved before anything good will happen. I've
always said that Ichthys isn't the right place for everyone. But if it's a
question of resistance to all authority in spiritual matters, that is a "tick"
which will undermine any and all growth, no matter where else a person might go.
We also have fireworks for New Years as well as the Fourth. Any excuse to blow
things up.
Thanks for your encouragement and prayer support, my friend. Keeping up the
prayers on this end too.
In Jesus,
Bob L.