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Question #1:    
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

In Luke 12:35-36 this is what it says:

"Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit. Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when comes and knows.

Seems to indicate a different Wedding feast from that of "The Parable of the Ten origins"?

Because in verse 36 He says: "Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns". The phrase "when he returns from the wedding feast" . This looks like another wedding that Jesus attended, and perhaps is not the same as the Marriage Supper of the Lamb?

Why does the Word say "Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit, in light of the fact that he is already coming back from the Wedding Feast?

Am I missing something? Thanks so much for your assistance and kindness.

Blessings always be with you, as you minister for Him.

Your friend,
Response #1:
Parables have what I call "furniture". That is to say, they present a situation wherein not all of the details are spiritually significant, at least not in every single aspect. A lot of misinterpretation has resulted from trying to read into them what was never meant to be read in. So we start with the main lesson / principles the parable is clearly teaching and go from there.

Both of these teachings, Matthew 25:1-13 and Luke 12:35-41, have the same basic point: be alert and ready for Christ's return. This is a necessary mindset for surviving the Tribulation without losing faith. The consequences of losing faith are described differently in both, being shut out of the feast in the first instance, having one's house robbed in the second (or being surprised by the Master in not being ready to attend Him when He gets back). But in both cases this refers to absolute loss of faith for those falling away in the Great Apostasy. 

This is not to say that none of the other details matter (some of them do provide additional insights for us), but mostly they should not draw our attention away from the main point the Lord is making. The wedding feast in the first instance represents the blessings of the Millennium from which those who lose faith will be excluded. The wedding feast in the second instance is merely the reason why the Master is not present but will return at some unknown point. In that parable it is His return home which is indicative of the second advent; those who are not ready for the Master are those who have fallen away during His absence (fallen away in the Great Apostasy).

Here's a link: "Parables and their interpretation"

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #2:
Hi Bob and family,

Hoping this email finds you well and in good spirits.

A couple of questions in two parts that I hope you can clear up for me.

Firstly, we understand that Jesus will return at the END of Tribulation but I’m a little confused by the scripture that speaks about the 6th Bowl and by what you’ve told me before in the Timeline of these events, that judgement isn’t quite at the end, the 7th Bowl, which lasts 6 months – the end being after.

One could think, that Jesus might return after the 6th Bowl judgement by what it says in scripture.

Is the battle of Armageddon after that 6th Bowl judgement and before the 7th Bowl judgement?

In Daniels 12: 11, it mentions 1290 days to the end and then in verse 12, 1335 days – a difference of 45 days. Are those 45 days the time when God will exact His punishment on all the unbelievers, along with the anti-Christ and the false prophet?

Or does that 45 days refer to the battle of Armageddon?

Is there a relationship here between Bowl 6 and 7?

I hope these questions make sense to you. Hoping not to cause too much inconvenience to you in this maddening world.

As always dear Bob
Response #2:
Always good to hear from you, my friend.

As to "One could think, that Jesus might return after the 6th Bowl judgement by what it says in scripture", I'm not sure what scripture you're referring to. Revelation 16:12-16 seems to me to be pretty clear, even in an English translation, that this is the preparation for Armageddon, not the battle itself. It is true that verse 15 tells us that the Lord is on the point of returning (n.b. the text actually reads "He", not "I"), but that is certainly consistent with the events here since Christ does return at the second advent to wage the battle of Armageddon. 

The battle itself does not occur until after the bowl judgments are over, but the seventh bowl period abuts directly the second advent.

I'll give you a link explaining the 1290 days and the 1335 days (here). In a nutshell, the second half of the Tribulation is 1260 days, the 1290 includes 30 days for the regathering of all Israel to the place of judgment on the threshold of the land after the Tribulation is over, and the extra 45 days (i.e., the difference between the 1290 and the 1335) is the time wherein Israel will be judged to ensure that no unbelievers are allowed to enter.

No worries about the questions! It is a crazy world indeed, but we have even more interesting developments to come before we see the Lord return.

In Jesus our dear Savior for whom we breathlessly wait,

Bob L.
Question #3:
Hello,

I was reminiscing about being a little kid and running through the fields of corn yesterday afternoon with my friends. I said to a close friend I wish I could do that again just for a little while. My friend said you can up in Heaven. Your body will be able to be any age there. He added, it will be awesome for people who lost their childhood.

I thought that was really awesome. But is it true?

Thank You In Advance
Response #3:
As I often say, the information we are given about our eternal life in the Bible is limited (see here for a link), probably because we really can't have any idea at all what eternal life is like with no pain or trouble any more . . . until we are experiencing it. The same goes for all the blessings and wonders of being with God the Father and our dear Lord Jesus Christ. Those will be the best blessings – but naturally "down here" we are focused on things that give/gave us pleasure in this temporary, material and corrupt world. 

So scripture puts things largely in terms of negatives no longer present – no death or grief or pain. But we probably should resist thinking of eternity in terms of what we currently consider "fun". I don't find any indication whatsoever in the Bible that we will be changing as described. More to the point, given what I do know about the biblical descriptions of eternity, I doubt we would want to. Scripture indicates that we will be like Jesus and that means "in our prime of life" in terms of the apparent "age" of our resurrection bodies – the best possible age (e.g., 1Jn.3:2; see the link).
Also, personally, while I do have some fond memories of youth, I would never want to go back and have to repeat it. The Christian life is all about looking forwards – to the blessings beyond – and not backwards (Phil.3:13).

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #4:
Thanks for answering my question and all previous questions here. I hope I will have fun up there. 

Loser believers lose all their blessings and I feel that's where I am headed. Staying in fellowship through rebound is essential for becoming a winner believer. I am only in fellowship when studying. Do losers have fun up there?

Also, my family has about a dozen winner believers here. They always say don't worry because they will share their blessings with me there.

They're drawing this from The Grace of God.
Response #4:
It's my pleasure.

"Up there" is actually "down here". The third heaven is only temporary. After the second advent and the resurrection, we will all be "down here", aiding in the Lord's millennial administration. And after the Millennium, New Jerusalem, our eternal home, will be on earth – the new earth. Here's a link to where most of this information can be found (The Millennium and New Jerusalem).

As to winners and losers, all believers are "winners", those who "overcome" through our faith in Jesus Christ, held fast to the end (1Jn.5:4).

There is a difference in rewards, however. Gaining rewards in this life is based upon spiritual growth in the truth, spiritual progress in its application (passing tests), and production – helping others do the same through the proper function of our spiritual gifts in the ministries the Lord assigns (and He assigns these to everyone who is willing to receive it). 

Here's the specific link on that: "The Judgment and Reward of the Church" (though there are many other places at Ichthys where these issues are discussed).

You have every opportunity to win all three crowns and glorify the Lord in so doing. Ichthys is at your service to help.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #5:
Hi Bob,

A busy week for you. But then you wouldn't be Bob if you weren't busy! I'm sure you're tired and achy from working in the back today.

I remember you telling me that you don't really like flying now. At least it will be lovely for you to see your brother and his family again. I like the sound of you dropping by at the UMich library - that's "right up your street". I think you'll really enjoy it.

Work was very busy today - we're pretty much back up to full speed now.

I'm going to heed your advice and get some rest and carve out some "me time". It's been hard to do just recently and I don't like it when it's like that. I just want more and more and more of His Word dwelling in me richly.

It's a strange time I'm going through at the moment. I know it's stating the obvious, but I don't think life around me is ever going to be "normal" again until the Lord takes me home or He returns. I used to get a bit of a break - a bit of a breather - but it doesn't seem that way now. There's always some drama going on - not just in the world. I'm not complaining. It's just how it seems to be now. That's why my focus needs to be firmly fixed on the Lord at all times. 

Guess I best go and get some rest!

Your friend in Jesus
Response #5:
I can relate! It does seem that things have gotten busier and busier of late – without any particular strapping on of anything major and new. Part of that has to do with spiritual growth (when we were "young pups" in the Lord, we couldn't handle it so we weren't given it); part of it has to do no doubt with the times in which we live on the cusp of the end; and part of it is probably gracious provision from the Lord, necessary preparation for the near future when things will become more than just "busier" during the Tribulation.

Keeping you in my prayers, my friend!

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #6:
Hello Dr. Lubinbill,

I was looking at Matthew 24 and verse 33, and I just happened to notice what Jesus says: "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Here are my thoughts:

1. This generation: Meaning the generation that sees the events that take place in Matthew 24.
2. The generation will not pass away, or be fulfilled, "until all these things" meaning everything Jesus addressed in Matthew 24; All these things must take place as Jesus says. 
3. Three of the events which Jesus mentions are: The Tribulation, The First Resurrection [meaning the gathering together of believers], stated in Verse 31, and the Second Coming.

The other thing that I had previously noted was in Verse 31, says nothing about believers being taken into heaven. It only says that they will be gathered together, His elect[not just the believing Jews, but all believers, from Adam to the time when it takes place].

These pre-trib people sure do like to quote something to make scripture agree with their so-called theology; they make Scripture say something that it does not say. They are not even aware of what Rev. 22:18-19 says.

Just about every day I find something new concerning the End Times. The other thing I realized is in Revelation 3:10, "Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world to test those, who dwell on the earth. This church did go through much tribulation, but it no longer exists.

That brings me to a question: Are the periods of each church and when they began and went out of existence, documented in historical documents, and what are these documents? I want to be able to give a little detail on this subject, even if I just have the names of them, for those that are curious, or don't believe what I say.

Thanks always for your comments and great assistance. Tomorrow is another day of discovery.

Blessings always to you and the ministry that God has given to you , that you so faithfully fulfill each day.

Your friend,
Response #6:
Always good to hear from you, my friend.

"This generation" (misleading to translate the Greek phrase that way in English) is not a 20 or so year group but "this type" of person, namely, unbelieving and hardened Israel which, as Paul also says, will continue "until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" (Rom.11:25); see the link for the details and further links on "generation". Then Israel will come to the Lord in great numbers – after He returns.

Matthew 24:31 says we believers will be gathered, but that gathering is the resurrection and it takes place in the sky (1Thes.4:17) – which is why the Lord also says in this context "For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together" (v.28), i.e., a picture of the Church rising up and mustering in the sky to meet Him as our Lord returns.

On Revelation 3:10, you are correct that Philadelphia is no longer around.  I have posited the likely lengths of the seven church eras at the link in CT 2A (and have given some additional explanation at these links: Observations about the seven church eras; Ephesus; 1882).

As to "church documents", well, as far as secular history is concerned, "the church" is the conglomeration of institutions which call themselves "Christian" – whereas in fact "the Church" is the group of believers who are born again, born from above, who constitute the true Body of Christ (see the link). The latter may or may not have ever made it into official documents and histories (mostly NOT); the former is the basis for all "church history" even though many of the individuals involved with it were never believers (MOSTLY not). 

Keep up the good work for Jesus Christ, my friend! And thanks always for your kind words.

In Him,

Bob L.
Question #7:
I know that in the prophecy of Isaiah the suffering servant was predicted after the victorious Messiah. And it provided enough ambiguity that the suffering servant was identified with the Nation of Israel itself even by modern Orthodox Jews.

But the actual events were the reverse. And seem to be designed to throw off even Satan until the fulfillment actually happened.

Thoughts?

In Jesus
Response #7:
That's the thing about Hebrew prophecy: it is not linear; it moves backwards and forwards frequently. And it also conflates sequence – deliberately. In that respect, there is phenomenon called "prophetic foreshortening" where the two advents are often blended (see the link). 

The Church Age is the mystery age which was most definitely not anticipated (see the link). And the result of a general failure to understand prior prophecy in Christ's lifetime (especially not seeing the for the need of the Cross before the Crown) was that His contemporaries completely overlooked the necessity of the Servant to suffer and jumped immediately to the glories of the second advent. But for those who were intent to look into the Word of God, like the disciples, His lack of kingly glory at that time did not cause them to stumble so as to fall – but to persevere and, after His resurrection, become the foundation for the expansion of His Church (Eph.2:20).

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #8:
The Tribulation will be pretty much the most horrible time anyone could ever come up with, next to Sheol and Hell right? If that's the case...I was starting to seriously consider ending my life just to escape having to go through it. But I'm also scared God will send me to Hell for this, because He would see it as supreme cowardice. What do I do?

Also read my last email in this thread. Is porn occultic? I am NOT trying to justify it in any way. I know full well how wrong and destructive it is and rightfully avoid it. I'm asking because Russel Moore, a very popular yet obvious false teacher, claims porn is rooted in the occult. He may be a massive, money grubbing hypocrite who I'm sure spews false doctrine constantly, but you know what they say about a broken clock being right twice a day.
Response #8:
We're not in the Tribulation today, right? So there's not much point or use in worrying about that today. And since we are to live one day at a time and since we're not supposed to worry about anything, well . . .

God never asks us to do anything we cannot in fact actually do (1Cor.10:13). If we have faith and confidence in Him, He can do anything and He can bring us through anything. If we doubt that, then the problem is not the Tribulation – or whatever other test we are facing. The problem is with us, failing to trust Him as we should. Remember what Jesus told us:
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."
Matthew 10:28-31 NIV
Taking things into our own hands is always a mistake. Learn to trust the Lord. Reading your Bible, praying consistently, AND reading into a good Bible ministry such as Ichthys will result in growth and peace over time. You just have to stop worrying and keep at it.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
p.s., on your other question, I think you answered it yourself (1Cor.6:15-20).
Question #9:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

I came across this paragraph in the subject teaching:
". . . just as Satan seduced one-third of angelic kind into joining him in his rebellion against God before human history began and thus caused them to "fall", so during the crucible of the Tribulation he [Satan] will seduce one-third of believers away from Christ and likewise "sweep them down to the earth" (i.e., cause them to fall from their holy, heavenly status)."
This statement really surprised me. So here are some questions:

1. Who are the "Host of Heaven" referred to in Daniel 8:10.

2. I was really taken aback at the statement "will seduce one-third of believers away from Christ and likewise "sweep them down to the earth" ) i.e., cause them to fall from their holy heavenly status. 

3. I was under the impression that when we die and are taken into heaven, we can no longer lose our status with Christ? How can this be? Is it because they do not yet possess their glorified bodies?

4. So, in heaven you are saying that we can still lose our salvation because we can still be deceived by Satan? Is it because he is not yet permanently bound and in the Lake of Fire?

I never knew that this was really possible, as I always thought that when a believer finishes their race here on earth, he is forever with the LORD.

Would really appreciate your response, for I am not really understanding this statement at all.

Blessings to you always,

Thanks for your clarification, because I know for sure there is one.

Your very puzzled friend,
Response #9:
Here's how I translate Daniel 8:10, and I'm including the commentary here from CT 3A whence it comes:
And [the little horn] (i.e., antichrist as a type and representative of the devil) magnified himself against the host of heaven (i.e., the family of God, men and angels both), and he cast down to the earth some of the host (i.e., antichrist seducing believers into apostasy) and some of the stars (i.e., Satan having seduced angels into rebellion) and he trampled them underfoot (i.e., their rebellion or apostasy in association with evil leading to their subsequent destruction; cf. Dan.7:7; 7:19; Rev.11:2).
Daniel 8:10
By thus sub-categorizing the fallen "host" into both apostate believers and fallen angels, Daniel 8:10 makes it clear that we are to make use of a similar dual application in the case of our parallel passage, Revelation 12:4 (exactly as suggested above). Like Revelation 12:4, Daniel 8:10 may seem to conflate the timing of events (i.e., pre-history for the fall of one third of the angels, future history for the fall of one third of tribulational believers), but, in fact, the context of Revelation 12:4 explicitly reveals that the final fulfillment of this prophecy (cf. Rev.12:7-9), that is, the actual, literal casting of Satan and his angels from heaven down to the earth is contemporaneous with the beginning of the Great Apostasy's period of culmination, namely, the Great Tribulation, precisely the time when the pressures of the Great Persecution which characterizes that three and a half year period will bring the process of apostasy to a fever pitch.
As to your other questions, believers are saved but unbelievers are not. So of course all believers go directly to the third heaven when they die (following the cross; to paradise below the earth prior to Christ's ascension). The question is, can a believer revert to being an unbeliever, and the sad fact is that this is indeed possible as our Lord Himself makes crystal clear:
"But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away."
Luke 8:13 NKJV
The phrase "fall away" above is from the verb aphistemi from which our word "apostasy" is derived. As this and many other passages in scripture make clear, it is in fact possible to apostatize, that is, to turn completely away from Christ to such an emphatic degree that faith dies and the person reverts to being an unbeliever. The reasons for this are often not only the temptations of the world (as in the verse above) but also trials and pressures and being "disappointed" with things that happen in life, "tribulation or persecution [arising] because of the word" as our Lord says in the companion passage in Matthew (Matt.13:21). Apostasy, it is important to emphasize is not sinning generally nor failure to repent nor committing some supposedly "unpardonable sin": apostasy is the death of faith, and when faith dies, when belief in Christ dies, the person is by definition an unbeliever, and only believers are saved.

During the Tribulation, the pressures on weak faith will be so intense that one third of those who enter those seven years with faith will not "endure [with it] until the end" so as to be saved (Matt.10:22). The Great Persecution launched by antichrist against believers will no doubt greatly contribute to this "Great Apostasy". Faced with martyrdom, many will choose the mess of pottage of a few more short years of trouble on this temporary earth in place of eternal life, "denying the Lord who bought them" (2Pet.2:1) and falling away back into unbelief. 

So this "one third" are no longer believers after they apostatize, will inevitably take the mark of the beast, and, if not killed before the second advent or at Armageddon, will be taken off the earth in the baptism of fire which follows our Lord's return (the fate of all who take the mark and are still alive at that point; see the link).

Here's the best link on apostasy: in BB 3B: "Apostasy and the Sin unto Death".

There is a false doctrine out there in the ether that proclaims once a person becomes a believer nothing can change that status ("once saved, always saved" or OSAS). But it is not biblical. Falling away is possible, which is why there are so many biblical passages warning against it (e.g., 2Chron.15:2; Matt.7:24-27; 10:33; 13:20-21; 24:9-13; Mk.4:16-17; Lk.6:46-49; 8:13; 14:34-35; Jn.15:1-6; Rom.11:17-23; 1Cor.6:9-10; 10:6-12; 15:2; 2Cor.13:5; Gal.5:19-21; 6:7-8; Eph.5:3-7; Col.1:21-23; 1Thes.3:2-5; 1Tim.1:5-6; 1:18-19; 4:1; 6:9; 2Tim.2:11-13; Heb.2:1-3; 3:6; 3:12-19; 10:35-39; 12:25; Jas.1:14-16; 2Pet.2:18-22; 1Jn.2:18-23; 5:16-18; 2Jn.1:8-9; Rev.3:15-16; 14:9-13; cf. Dan.8:10-12; Lk.22:32; Jn.3:18-19; 6:47; Acts 20:29-31; Rom.2:7; 13:11; 1Cor.5:4-5; 13:5; Phil.2:12; 3:11-14; 3:18; 2Thes.2:3; 1Tim.4:16; 6:20-21; Heb.6:9; 1Pet.1:3-5; 1:9; 2:2; 2Pet.1:10-11; Jude 1:12; 1:19; Rev.3:10; 12:4).

Feel free to write me back about any of this in case I misread your questions in any way.

Your friend in Jesus Christ,

Bob L.
Question #10:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

I took this phrase to mean that those who "apostatize" are in heaven when they "fall away", because they are deceived by Satan who is also in the Third Heaven.

So my question is: Am I understanding correctly, that the believers who apostatize while they are in heaven, will also be thrown down with the unbelieving angels, or have I misunderstood the statement in your teaching

Now I do believe that those believers that are on earth during the start of the Tribulation can and will "fall away". I do not hold to the OSAS doctrine at all and never have, especially since I have studied your teachings on the subject.

I just need clarification on the question.

Thanks so much for your response.

Blessings from the LORD to you always

Your friend,
Response #10:
Apostasy is only possible in this life – just like salvation is only possible in this life. This life, on this earth, is where we are making our free will choices, to respond to God . . . or not. Once this life comes to an end, the saved are saved and the lost are lost.

The term, "the host of heaven" is not referring to the location of the host but the allegiance of the host. Elect angels are "the host of heaven" regardless if they are on earth or in heaven; likewise, we who believe have our names "written in heaven" (Lk.10:20) and are also part of that "heavenly host", even while we are here on earth. 

Sorry if I confused you, my friend! Let me know if further clarification is needed.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #11:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

Just wanted to tell you regarding the question I had about the host of heaven, etc.

If I would have gone a bit further in your teaching on the Beginning of the Tribulation study, I would have found the answer to the question I was asking you.

I fully understand the two verses now that you responded within your last response to my request for clarification.

I have failed to do this several times in the past, but your teachings always provide the answer if I would only read a little further in the text.

You always do a great job in explaining things in your teachings.

Glory, praise, and honor to Him Who was, Who is, and Who is to come. Amen

Blessings to you always,

Your friend,
Response #11:
It's no problem – but thanks for that! I appreciate it.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #12:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

In the referenced scripture verse the NASB says the following:

"And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses."

The translation that you have in one of your teachings says:

"(14) And His armies were following Him in the sky [mounted] on white horses, [and] clad in linen white and pure.
Revelation 19:14

The NASB appears to be incorrectly translated because of the following:

1. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and other verses say: that those who have already died take part in the First Resurrection, and those alive, thus we will meet Jesus in the clouds.
2. Those who have already died are already in heaven, but have yet to receive their glorified body, which comes at the First Resurrection.
3. Matthew 24:31 says "will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other."

Just thought I would ask about the translation of the NASB because I don't think it correlates with the other scriptures in the Gospels, etc.

Appreciate always your input.

Many blessings to you,

Your friend,
Response #12:
There is no "which" in the Greek, so it's either "the armies in heaven" or "in the sky". The Greek word is ouranos, from which we get Uranus and uranium, and it means both "heaven" and "sky" because to the Greek view of things there is no difference. We believers know from the biblical perspective that there are three "heavens": the atmosphere, space, the realm of God (outside of "this kosmos"; see the link for a diagram).

In the verse you ask about, "sky" is a much more helpful translation because this refers to the Lord's marshaling of His entire host above the earth just prior to the second advent. He arrives with the host of elect angels; then the resurrection of the Church provides the second element. Revelation 19:14 is focused on the Church – just like the angels and like the Lord, we will all also be mounted for our own participation in Armageddon (see the link), following our assembly "in clouds" to meet Him (n.b., at 1Thes.4:17 it's "clouds", not "the clouds" because we are "the clouds", massive numbers of believers swarming to the Lord like eagles gathering to the prey: Lk.17:37).

Looking forward to that glorious day and future hope!

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #13:
Hi Bob,

Your patience is truly amazing. Some people don't seem to be willing to let go of falsely held beliefs -- and I was one of them, so I should know. As far as salvation, I trust the Lord who said "all who believe in me shall not perish."

The Holy Spirit has been a most agreeable house guest for me. Most times, I only get a gentle nudge in the ribs. Sometimes, though, I get a sharp smack upside the back of my head. I recently had one of those sharp slaps. I was outside admiring what a wonderful world the Lord has given us and thinking about things I could do. Then, it abruptly came to me, "Your time is short." I am taking that seriously and getting my final paperwork in order. Otherwise, the prospect of fewer days doesn't bother me at all. I rather look forward to it.

I have to wonder if all this isn't the Lord working everything out for the good and taking care of my concerns. Given what I see in the world, I'll be happy to leave it behind.

It's been a hard gardening year down here. The Lord showed me that I'm not nearly as smart as I thought I was. Everything was slow to either germinate or leaf out and many things that did germinate, died. The drought is hard and we have one of easier droughts compared to the west coast. Two figs are dead, all the grapes are dead and all the native blackberries except one which I may be able to save. We had our first 100 degree day yesterday and it looks like that may be the case today. Very little rain so far and normally spring rains are heavy. On the bright side, the Lord planted Lemon Bee Balm (Monarda citriodora) in one of the pots that I hadn't planted yet. It makes a great pork seasoning/rub, similar to oregano and a decent beverage. Many health benefits as well. So - while the staff of my bread has certainly been damaged, there is much to replace it. All credit goes to the Lord.

I hope your correspondents take your advice to heart. I hope you had a good Derby Day and pray you and yours are well and safe.

In our Lord,
Response #13:
It's a mark of spiritual growth to get to the place of being more than ready to "move on". But that is not our decision, and the Lord frequently keeps those who belong to Him down here longer than we might wish.
But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.
Philippians 1:22-24 NKJV
I'm sure that you are a great blessing to your family – you certainly are to me! So I wouldn't sell the silverware just yet.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #14:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

I was just thinking this morning about the status of the United States of America, and how it has happened that we are now the Un-united States of America.

I had randomly opened my bible to the Book of Hosea and looked at chapter 4 and it sounds to me that it is applicable to the United States. I hear people often on Youtube, I just watch it to get abreast at what different so-called preachers are saying, and it is sadly, not good.

Most of them are of the opinion that the Church will be "raptured" out to heaven before the Tribulation starts, and we know from scripture that this is heresy; I mean that this is what they have been telling the people this false doctrine, and the people don't even consider to study for themselves. I know this from my experiences in the past. We no longer attend any kind of church, it is near impossible to find one that is teaching God's Word.

A little over 10 years ago, I was preparing to teach about Matthew 24 at Sunday School. As I was preparing, a thought, at least that is what I think I had, came to me clearly, "The rapture is not true". This was before I knew about your Website. As a result, I began to study this topic and have never quit doing so. I will not say that God spoke to me, or that the LORD told me, as many of these so-called prophets claim. It was just a thought that came to my mind and stayed there.

At present, I have heard that the Christians? or church people are being asked to pray for revival in the church. I believe they have something out of line here, they should be praying for repentance, first and foremost .

Back to Hosea. I realize that this is a word of the LORD to Israel, but I believe it depicts the likes of this country of the USA also. I just want to ask you about verse 6c which says: "I also will reject you from being My priest. It is amazing that Revelation 1:6 talks about believers being made a kingdom and priests to His God."

Wondering your opinion of my comments about Hosea linked with Revelation. I am really interested in Hosea, especially what it says in chapter 4. Sure would appreciate anything you would say.

Thanks always,

God's blessings be on you always,

Your friend,
Response #14:
As to Hosea chapter four, the shoe certainly does fit, doesn't it? The main difference of course is that the USA is secular country, not a divinely established one made up only of God's special people the way Israel was (that is, was SUPPOSED to be). I know people, Christians, tend to want to see us here in this country in that same light, but that is not the way things work. 

What is true is that any nation is preserved by the "salt" within it, the remnant of believers (link), the quantity and the quality of those who live there who call upon the Name of the Lord. Historically, we have had a relatively large and good remnant here in the USA (relative, that is, to the rest of the world). But we have been slipping quantitatively and most certainly qualitatively in recent times and that slippage has been accelerating – which certainly does not bode well. 

The false doctrine of the pre-Tribulation "rapture" is a contributing factor because it is such a "feel good" falsehood: don't worry about being spiritually alert and prepared for what will be the most challenging time for believers in human history, because "you won't be there". What a shock this is going to be for those who have bought into that false teaching!

Thanks for this good testimony, my friend!

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #15:
Dr. Luginbill,

While studying various lessons you offer, I came up with some questions that I hope you have time to enlighten me on.

A) Will the Holy Spirit actually be removed from the earth during the last 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation or will he merely cease His restraining ministry but still be on the earth and dwelling in believers, providing strength and encouragement during the worst Tribulation imaginable?

B) Rev. 19:20 Jesus snatches up the antichrist and the false prophet and throws them directly into the lake of fire alive. Will they be changed into their eternal bodies and then suffer forever? Will the unbelievers at the Great White Throne judgment have their bodies changed prior to being cast into the lake of fire?

C) In Peripateology: the Christian Walk: Bible Basics 6A
Under 4) The Chronology of the Resurrection:
Under A) Spiritual Growth
On page 25 of the downloaded study, it says:

....Learning the truth does require "homework" (reading our Bibles for ourselves, studying and rehearsing the principles of truth we are taught, making a habit of meditating on the truth as much as we can: Ps.1:1-2), but first and foremost learning the truth requires consistent attendance under a Bible teaching ministry where sufficient truth is taught in a detailed, orthodox way so that spiritual growth is possible – and even so there can be no growth without believing that truth (Phil.3:16; directly analogous to salvation where there is no salvation, regardless of how well a person understands the gospel, unless and until it is believed).

Phil.3:16 reads: Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

I'm not sure how that verse is analogous to salvation where there is no salvation, regardless of how well a person understands the gospel, unless and until it is believed. I know Paul is encouraging believers to keep pressing on toward spiritual maturity, but is it saying that only when we live up to (believe and apply) what we have already attained (learned) can salvation be confirmed (assured)? Could you help me digest this?

That is enough questions for now. More will come another time. Thank you for helping me better understand the Scriptures and the Will of God.
Response #15:
Always good to hear from you, my friend. As to your questions:

a) Blessedly, we believers will have the Holy Spirit indwelling us as long as we are inhabiting these first bodies on this earth. That is the case also during the Tribulation, should it be our lot to experience that time. What is "taken out of the way" is His restraining ministry, the divine "damping field" which keeps things on earth from going critical mass; but those control rods, so to speak, will be removed during the Tribulation and all manner of things which would not, could not have happened before will begin to happen (the revelation of antichrist, for example, and the empowerment of error; see the link). This should certainly give believers pause, because when one considers terrible periods of past history, WWII, for example, it is sobering to think that things will be exponentially worse during the Tribulation because of the Spirit's cessation of His restraining ministry (link).

b) We know that the rest of the dead are resurrected, so it would seem to have to be the case that there is just such a transformation of the beast and his false prophet on the occasion of their being deposited in the lake of fire – otherwise they would be obliterated instantly (and we know that is not the case, for they are still "there" when the devil is cast into it a thousand years later: Rev.20:10).

c) Not sure I'm properly understanding your question here, so feel to write back. The part you quote is simply making an analogy: we are saved by believing the truth; we grow by believing the truth. So if we don't bother to believe the gospel, we're not going to be saved; and if don't bother to seek out and believe and apply the truth of scripture after salvation, we're not going to grow. I don't mean for conclusions to be transferred backward to salvation from this observation. The point is merely that believing the truth was important at first in the Christian life and continues to be important all the way to the end. The CWL is not a one time, one shot, fire and forget thing, but a life long commitment, rightly understood.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #16:
Hi Bob,

Sorry to keep hammering on this, but it's a concern. The translations I've checked all seem to say about the same thing -- though some are a little more creative. The thrust of Ezekiel is pointed at the Israelites, but this verse doesn't limit it -- it seems much more general. I suspect this is what we face.

With sexual deviants in government, child sacrifice legalized post partum in at least three states, technical mass shootings in major cities every day and or weekend, pundits talking about the coming famines and shortages, etc., etc., it certainly applies to us.

How are we different from the ancient Israelites? Or Egyptians? Or the Babylonians? Or Ammonites, Moabites, Edomites and so on?

No, I don't think secession will happen, either. What will be Babylon and who the antichrist turns out to be is something of a peripheral concern. I believe it will happen as prophesied and when it does, the whole issue will be moot. I do wonder if we'll be electing him in 2024 if it turns out to be us. If Texas did actually secede, I suspect we would become the American Ukraine.

Thank you for your prayers. You and yours are in mine daily.

Yours in our Lord,
Response #16:
I hear what you are saying. I certainly wouldn't want to limit the offenses of our country to the short list you've given here. For me, the list is a whole lot longer. One of our biggest offenses is the dereliction of believers in paying any attention to the truth. Unbelievers do what they do. Believers who are lackadaisical in spiritual matters – or who defy the Lord – come in for a much stricter judgment, obviously. In any country, if there are believers, that is a remnant which acts as a preservative. But if that "salt loses its savor", then all bets are off (link). 

The principle stated in Ezekiel 14:13 doesn't give the details about when the Lord will act. We no doubt have judgment coming, but the fact that the boom hasn't been lowered yet (not in the terms Ezekiel sets forth), doesn't mean much. After all, if the US really IS Babylon, and if the Tribulation really IS only a few short years away, well, Babylon is completely destroyed in the waning days of that seven year period. That would be Ezekiel 14:13 "in spades".

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #17:
Hola Bob,

I think you have presented me something of an oxymoron: "dereliction of believers in paying any attention to the truth." I'm not sure how one can be a believer and ignore the truth. At least that which they understand. But that's just me.

Be that as it may, seeing the emptying shelves in the supermarket and remembering the Great Panic of March '21, it certainly seems like the staff of our bread is being broken. It's not as bad now as then, but the year's still young. Then it called to mind the sorry state of our civilization, such as it is, and Eze.14:13.

I believe it all will all come down in just a few short years. My only question now is, will we beat the Lord to the punch here in the states? I gave the boys their Bibles along with a short speech. I hope they listen and explore. I'll probe again when I see them next.

I pray all is well with you and yours.

In our Lord,
Response #17:
I don't know about your experience, but in mine I would say that the majority of believers I have met have little interest in the truth, merely "giving a nod to God" one day a week, if that, by going to a church where there is precious little truth being taught. This is Laodicea, after all. But I certainly agree that this attitude does not at all match our "job description" as followers of Jesus Christ.

Yes, our civilization is in a sorry state. But when and where has that ever not been the case? Until we get our perfect King with absolute power, things are likely to keep going from bad to worse. It's just amazing to me that mankind has managed to endure this long – and it hasn't happened without the Holy Spirit's restraining ministry (link). When that ministry ends with the advent of the Tribulation, hold onto your hat!

As I say, we'll know soon enough on the when and how. So best to keep at preparation, sticking to our guns as long as the Lord has given us this fight to fight.

Good job regarding your grandsons! I keep your relationship with your family in my prayers.

In Jesus our dear Savior,

Bob L.
Question #18:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

I based my thoughts on the context of Matthew 24:37, "for the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. I have never really given deep thought about these verses until this evening; Then they hit me. Here is my understanding of these verses referenced above and how I viewed them reminding myself to keep the comments applicable to these verses in Matthew about Noah, and what will happen.

Matthew 24:38-41 within the context in which it is written.

“38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. 39And they were oblivious, until the flood came and swept them all away. So will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left.”

Verse 39 specifically says that all those who were on earth, that is unbelievers, were killed in the flood, that is: they were all swept away [that is they drowned and suffered both a physical death, and the second death.

Verse 39 also says that it will be the same way as it was in Noah’s day, at the coming of the Son of Man [the Messiah].

Verse 40 says 2 men, “one will be taken, and one will be left. The one taken is an unbeliever [who took the mark of the beast and worshipped him], will be taken away to Hades, and eventually into the Lake of Fire. The one who is left is a believer, The one who is left represents all believers who have ever lived; he will be a partaker in the “First Resurrection” as well as all other believers, to “meet the Lord in the air”.

Verse 41 says 2 women will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken, and one will be left; this gives us the same scenario as the 2 men.

Among those who remain will be all believers who partake in the "First Resurrection".

Among those who are taken to Hades include only those who have worshipped the beast or have taken his mark.

Those who believe in the rapture are all unaware that the "First Resurrection" takes place at the end of the Tribulation and not before, for there is only one First Resurrection, but they give it no thought, for they are so deeply in love with the Rapture, they cannot bear to hear anything but that, not matter what anyone says. They even add and take away from God's Holy Word, and they do not even realize what they are doing. I was in that same boat until I found the truth and I got out. So. these are my thoughts, but I just want to know if I am on target.

The reason for those who are taken away, and those who are left, is based on what is written in Matthew 24:39 which says: “and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away[that is, unbelievers]”; Noah and his family were left; Noah was righteous and blameless in his time; Noah walked with God; See Genesis 6:9.

Waiting for your response as to what you say about this.

Thanks again,

Your friend,
Response #18:
This particular part of Matthew 24 takes a bit of explanation. I too believe that it is impossible to read the entire chapter closely and not see that there is not pre-Trib "rapture", since the entire context has to do with the second advent.

The difficulty here is that the two examples used by our Lord are not precisely parallel – they can't be, because the flood is not the same as the second advent. In the former, all unbelievers are destroyed while the few believers are brought safely through to the other side – without resurrection. At the second advent, believers are "taken up" but unbelievers are not; whether or not they are subsequently destroyed by fire is a matter of whether or not they have taken the mark of the beast. Some unbelievers, mostly children, in my best estimate, will survive so as to repopulate the earth for the Millennium: all believers have already been resurrected.

From an English translation, the verbiage seems similar:
". . . and did not know until the flood came and took them all away . . ."
Matthew 24:39a NKJV

". . . one will be taken and the other left . . ."
Matthew 24:40b NKJV
In Greek, however, there is a great deal of difference. The verb in the first instance is airo, and it frequently has to do with destruction as is the case here; it is almost always negative in its connotations and often translated "raze/destroy". The verb in the second instance is different: paralambano, and it means "to take to one's side" and is almost positive in its connotations and that is the case here – specifically being taken "up" to meet our Lord: we know that this meeting happens in the sky not on earth (Matt.24:28; 24:31; 1Thes.4:17). We know that this is positive also because "taken [up]" is paired with "left [behind]", the verb aphiemi which usually has negative connotations: "abandoned". A Greek reader would not fail to understand that being "left behind" is bad, but being "taken to the side [of God]" is good (much different from being "destroyed/raised/taken away).

In both cases, our Lord is demonstrating the benefits of being one of His when He returns: like Noah and his family, believers will not be destroyed but delivered; and the means of deliverance will be resurrection ("taken" up in resurrection) – while unbelievers are "left behind" and in most cases swept away, not by the flood, but by the baptism of fire, the one John predicted (e.g., Matt.3:10-12), which will remove all adherents of the beast from our Lord's kingdom shortly after His return (see the link).

Proponents of a pre-Trib "rapture" see all this as happening before the Tribulation. This passage does indeed teach the resurrection, but it happens at the end of the Tribulation at our Lord's return, not before the Tribulation even begins. That is made clear in the context as our Lord has just previously explained:
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Matthew 24:29-31 NKJV
The verses you ask about are a further explanation of this passage. How pre-Tribbers think they can move the clock up by seven years here I don't understand.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #19:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

This is an interesting verse in John 12:1; this verse seems to be somewhat familiar to Matthew 17:1, which is what you are saying: a foreshadowing of the millennial reign of Christ on a renewed earth.

In John 12:1, as you well know, Jesus foretells His own death and resurrection after the six days. I take this to be symbolically referring to the Second Coming and the celebration of the original Passover because of the death of Christ, the Lamb of God, which was offered at this festival in the beginning, and sure looks like a picture of His glorious Second Coming and the Wedding feast of the Lamb.

Perhaps I am putting to much conjecture into this verse, so perhaps you have some comments on what I stated above.

I thank you always for taking the time to provide good answers to my observations and questions.

P.S. I have had to discontinue the Thursday evening Bible Study. We got on the subject of the Second Coming and the so-called rapture and there was a big disagreement between what they said because they believe in the theory of a Rapture. I told them that I did not believe in this theory, the rapture, and mentioned some critical verses to them as to why I disagree.

Long story short, one person said, well I have faith in the author who has written at the least 25 books on this subject, another said, well let's just put this on the shelf for a while, and the other two, are the ones who believe in OSAS, and Eternal Salvation and I think they also believe in the Rapture theory of this false doctrine.

Here is what I wrote to them:
In light of the latest events concerning the "End Times" studies, I was very surprised that there was a rejection of what I intended to teach. My goal was to bring to your attention, a little at a time, the meaning of the Scriptures regarding Eschatology [study of last things].

That was the very reason why I first asked you about your explanation of Matthew chapter 24, and who was Jesus addressing, but the responses were very brief and general. I also wanted you to give special attention to Matthew 24:29-31; but it appears that you totally and completely missed what was said.

Whenever you get a new teacher, make sure that you are looking at each and every word, and never forget to consider the context of the text before and after.

My goal was not reached in the way I wanted to present proof that there is no rapture prior to the Second and only coming of Jesus to you, but that plan was thwarted. I was placed in a rather awkward position having to present information to you abruptly, instead of a piece at a time. I was suddenly taken aback and had to respond to you quickly because you apparently were not close to being ready to receive it.

I only wanted you to think fervently about what you have been taught in the past years, especially when you all were converted from, and left a denomination that has considerable false teaching, having realized that by the revelation of the Holy Spirit, you seemingly, left this denomination with His guidance.

Now; you are facing another situation in your spiritual growth; reluctance to even consider or study the truth, which I shared. 

I have great concern about your preparedness, about knowing how to identify false doctrine and unparalleled deception that will occur during the seven-year tribulation. 

Christians will not be taken out of this earth prior to the beginning of the tribulation but will need to endure it just the same as those who preceded us in death,e.g. the missionaries, believers that are in Communist countries, who were slaughtered for their beliefs. 

Who are we, to think that we shall not suffer for the cause of Jesus Christ.
The real and genuine purpose for believers going into the Tribulation is for the purpose of refinement. Revelation 12:11.

So, when you realize that you are in the tribulation and have not been "removed from the earth before it", perhaps then you will think back on what I had attempted to teach you.

I will be held at a greater judgment when I stand before God, and I do not teach the truth; the truth is that the doctrine of the Pre-Trib. rapture theory is absolutely false. That is the reason why I cannot continue teaching those who agree with others who have preached and written about this false doctrine for many years.

Many, many believers are not willing to find out for themselves by studying, because they are comfortable with being taken out before the Tribulation; or excuse themselves by saying "I don't have the time".

Many others say: "well whether I believe it or not, it does not affect my salvation", but that is a statement that will not be honored when they stand in judgment before God. 

By blatantly denying the truth, they are saying that what God's Word says, does not apply to them, especially that of Matthew 24:1-31, Mark 13:1-33, and Luke 21:10-33. 

These are the things that Jesus spoke not only in response to those disciples that were with Him, but all disciples that were living at the time when these events will occur.

I love each and every one of you, and do not want any of you, or any other Christian to be deceived by "false doctrine".

I don't write nor send this email with any joy in my heart, but with unhappiness and much sorrow.

But, I feel that I just cannot teach a group who does not want to know the truth of the Book of Revelation and other books as well which concern the end times, and rather believe what the general population of most Christians do. 

Remember, it is your decision to reject the Word of God. Never forget the following verses: Revelation 22:18-19.

I am not your judge, but you need to take a long look at these two verses and ask God what He thinks about your feelings and beliefs.

But I have a question for you that I hope you contemplate: Are you willing to ignore what I have attempted to start teaching you, based on the fact that certain people in the ministry have written much on this subject that is directly opposite of what the Word of God says, merely because they have written and published many books on this subject? 

I am a nobody in man's eyes, but I AM a servant and teacher of God's Word; being famous in the world is unimportant, but being a humble servant is.

One day, not long from now, if you are still living, you will realize that according to God's Word, I was not in error. I just hope that you are thoroughly prepared for what is coming.

Therefore, I will no longer be your teacher, for both Thursday afternoon and Thursday evening.

I have enjoyed the time that God has taught using me as His vessel, but now that time has come to a sudden halt.

I do not make this decision lightly for I have been praying that God's will be done, and so it is.

May the LORD Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit, open your eyes, your mind, and your hearts more and more to His truth.

I will close with this Scripture: James 18-19:

"18Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures. 19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath; [anger]"

May you come to know the truth of His Word.

Blessings to you my friend,
I still teach 1 believer on Thursday afternoon for two hours or so, and she accepts what I have taught her. She does reject any Rapture, OSAS and Eternal Security because I have made an effort to communicate God's Word to her.

I have no intention of teaching anyone who thinks it is okay to add or subtract from God's Word, and I will strive to never back away from what God's precious Word says, by the grace of God.
Response #19:
I'm sorry to hear about the end of the Bible study. But if people don't respect the authority of the teacher – at all – then they are not going to be learning anything. Perhaps this will result in that smaller study opening up better opportunities for you. I keep that in my prayers.

This is an excellent letter, and with your permission I would like to post it the next time I do something on eschatology and the "rapture".

The scriptural treatment of the final week before the crucifixion begins with Mary's anointing of Jesus in Bethany (i.e., the “six days” of Jn.12:1), and nearly everything that transpires serves to demonstrate ahead of time the essential truth of which Jesus has been attempting to forewarn His disciples throughout this final phase of His first advent (e.g., Matt.16:21-26; 17:22-23; 20:17-19; Mk.8:31-37; 9:30-32; 10:32-33; Lk.9:22-25; 9:43-45; 18:31-34), namely, that the Messiah had to come twice, a second time to reign in glory (as all were expecting Jesus to do now in short order), but a first time as well, in order to die for the sins of the world and purchase a “people for Himself” to share His kingly reign forever (Rev.5:9; cf. Rev.1:5-6). 

On John 12:1, our Lord is definitely disabusing any and all of the idea of no cross before the crown during this final week. Here is a link to what I've written about that.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #20:
Hello Dr. Luginbill,

You will not believe the response I just received from one of the persons I was teaching. Before you begin to read how you responded, you need to be aware that she is Charismatic, she broke away from the RCC.

Here is what she replied:
So , I have been praying deligently for u me, and us about that pertains to rapture. I also ask my prayer partner for 2 decades who also I shared few of ur teaching and was received well. Her first response was “ Oh no U better stop listening to his teaching. “ My response was , I’m praying about this because I like his teaching except when it get to this that my spirit grieves because I don’t want any of us , him to get deceived. So , that was Thursday , we left for Noah’s Ark Sunday, praying in the car , and back to my place Tuesday afternoon. Wednesday afternoon I went to Library to print ur emails where I always do , including previous weeks . While I was downloading ur documents from computer , I experience strange unexplained felling that made me dizzy and sick. I thought Mayb my blood pressure is high , or my blood sugar low coz , it’s almost 4 pm and has not eaten lunch . My early morning breakfast was so light. So I ask the Lord to help remove the symptoms and just let me finish the printing so I don’t have to go back. Then, I deleted the topics for last 2 emails about rapture , end times, etc by accident while trying to download through Microsoft to print. The I got frustrated . I never had problem when I download in the past. Another thing of all computers, my was slow to response and I just keep praying in my mind Lord just help me get these done. I was able to retrieve ur emails to print with confusion . Then when I was in the printer encountered problem again. My thoughts was is these from u Lord or the enemy. Either u don’t want me to get these or Satan . Anyway, I got it all printed and put it aside when I got home to eat and decided to read it early morning because my mind is not in peace or at rest .Thursday morning I start so fresh , feeling better from good night rest. Believe me , when I was about to start reading the No rapture , I got so sick again feeling dizzy and my mind is hard to explain . I m familiar with tricks of enemy, so I said “ Lord unto u I commit my spirit” whatever is this I don’t understand. I have been praying to you about these , to give me and us clarity of ur voice that we know it’s u and not my voice or the enemies voice . U never failed me in the past. I heard His familiar voice “ Put it aside my child , don’t touch it.” Then I started crying, I said Lord is Brother right or am I am right ? His response “ He is wrong, you are right there is a rapture” then I said “ am I hearing from u Lord or the enemy, u know I don’t want to be deceive and I desire to please and follow ur words. “ It’s me my child” then all the symptoms of unexplained feeling disappeared , vanished and I got peace after I put it aside. But my heart goes out for u. So I prayed , Lord I commit to u Brother to put in His heart what u just told me and what u want Him to do about our bible lessons. Meantime I will continue praying until for all these and help me what to speak in our bible study tonight. That’s how I come up not to talk or totally discuss about the topic and what I heard from the Lord but wait to ur final say as the Lord put in ur heart. Meantime also , my prayer partner called me that Friday saying she was trying to download / print ur teaching I forwarded about the rapture . She said she got dizzy and nauseated and about to pass out and couldn’t explain her feeling , with her mind in turmoil , because she was feeling good before she started printing and she also hear from the Lord don’t touch it. I count it as confirmation of what I heard from the Lord. I couldn’t help sharing all these , having these long letter just to give u the whole knowledge and infomations I receive from the Lord. I will keep praying about all these if Incase I was tested or us about our true desire in following Him and be authentic in our standing before Him and among other believers or not. Strip naked bfore Him and expose all the things that is not from Him , all the junks and replace it with everything from Him , new wineskin assuming u are familiar with this term use. We all want God’ s best in us. Mindful of the Spirit of truth that Holy Spirit brings to us - our great teacher . As always, what I wrote before all this happened , remains same, about how I truly love , appreciate u and Sis , how the Lord brought u to us in His time and allowed us to learn more about Him. I understand ur concerns for us as believer, follower and doer of His word and appreciate all being motivated by Gods love. Thank u so much Brother. Who knows , God might bring us back together again in the days/ months ahead with better understanding and agreement of His words in one accord. As we all know different denominations because of different application of knowledge in the words. . There are 3 things was brought to my mind as the Lord had spoken about the rapture to happen in 1 Thess 4:16-17 “ the words are all true but it’s the application in every event to come and sequence” It was not expounded but I’m will continue praying . No one know the exact time of the rapture . I m settled for that , before or after tribulation, but definitely there is rapture.
I am sure she has been deceived by you know who, old slew loot himself.

What do you think of her response, I thought you would want to see it.

Blessings to you always,

P.S. Let me know when you post the comments I wrote in the letter.

Thanks so much.

Your friend,
Response #20:
This does seem to me very typical of Charismatics. They imagine that God is talking to them audibly and they interpret every emotional blip as being from the Spirit. In fact, they're consciences are not well enough calibrated to the truth to even discern actual promptings from the Spirit. And so they are led into all manner of very dangerous activities they wrongly attribute to (i.e., "blame on") Him. Here's a link on that.

In Jesus,

Bob L.
Question #21:
Thank you my friend!

2nd Corinthians 1:3-7 is incredible isn't it. It's all real! All of it!

Which means He's coming back for us real soon!!!

In Him,
Response #21:
More real that what we can see or hear or feel!

And it is a great blessing to experience the comfort of the Holy Spirit. An important thing to remember as we strive to walk in peace in fulfillment of the moment-by-moment Sabbath we are called to enjoy. 

Meanwhile, the time is short – and that is a blessing too!

In Jesus,

Bob L.
http://ichthys.com/